Aug 11, 2022
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“The goal of the conversation is not to convince. It’s not to compel, and it’s not to control. It’s not to try to get the other person to think something different. As soon as we believe somebody is trying to control us in that kind of way, we resist. So the very effort to convince, it makes you less convincing.” – Joseph Grenny
Contrary to how many people feel in our world today, it is possible to tell the truth and avoid alienating a friend or colleague or engendering terrible and painful conflict. With so much distrust among family, friends, colleagues and our leaders, it’s vital to not to take the two standard approaches – being silent or violent — on core issues but instead, we need to learn the essential skills behind expressing yourself candidly yet cordially.
Today’s Finding Brave expert guest reveals how it’s not having different opinions that’s the problem in our conflicts, rather it’s how and why we express those opinions, and the approach we take before even entering the conversation.
Joseph Grenny is a four-time New York Times bestselling author, dynamic keynote speaker, and leading social scientist for business performance. Joseph has spoken at some of the world’s premier leadership conferences. His books have been translated into 28 languages, are available in 36 countries, and have generated results for 300 of the Fortune 500.
I had the honor of interviewing Joseph and David Maxfield in my Forbes blog in 2015 in a piece on Gender Bias Is Real: Women’s Perceived Competency Drops Significantly When Judged as Being Forceful, on their groundbreaking research on gender bias, and I’ve often quoted the information that their research uncovered that proved gender bias is not imagined, it’s real – and their research showed on how women’s perceived competency and perceived worth drops exponentially more than men’s when they are are perceived as forceful or assertive. I’ve featured their work in my TEDx talk Time to Brave Up, and in my new book The Most Powerful You and my Most Powerful You Course which is why I’m so excited to speak with Joseph today and bring you his expert insights and perspectives on navigating crucial conversations.
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Other resources mentioned:
Joseph’s Book, Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High & His Other Works
Untangling the Mind: Why We Behave the Way We Do by Theodore George, M.D.
Kathy’s Forbes Blog with Joseph Grenny and David Maxfield, Gender Bias Is Real: Women’s Perceived Competency Drops Significantly When Judged As Being Forceful
Kathy’s Forbes Post, What Is Feminism, And Why Do So Many Women And Men Hate It?
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“The only way norms get reset, and the only way that biases become apparent and addressable, is through conversation. That’s the only mechanism that gives us any hope.” [4:00]
“Time and time again, we’ve found that almost any area of pain within an organization, what kept those problems chronic and turned them from an incident into a pattern, is peoples’ inability to confront, discuss and resolve [the issues].” [6:02]
“All of us are really hardwired for failure around complex social dynamics. However, we have the software to learn. We have the capacity to rise above our thinking and our patterns, and to create new ones.” [10:25]
“The words that come out of your mouth will have part of an effect, but if there’s a contradiction between what I read from your face and what I read from your mouth, I’ll trust the face.” [14:15]
“There’s a huge opportunity for us to de-escalate our own emotions, if we recognize that this is just a perceived threat, and not a real threat.” [16:03]
“When you behave in a way that’s inconsistent with their story, you help them dismantle it.” [34:41]
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